tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post261393492459793052..comments2023-10-10T04:30:38.687-05:00Comments on Deo volente: Sign the petition, sign up to prolong the crisisDave Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-49039634462207174102011-11-17T21:49:45.642-06:002011-11-17T21:49:45.642-06:00Anonymous 6:58: Wow, my worst argument ever--that...Anonymous 6:58: Wow, my worst argument ever--that's saying something. <br /><br />If the BOT had no interest in tying salaries to revenues, however calculated, if it rejected the concept, then the FA offer wasn't going anywhere (at least unless the administration was pressured to make a deal). That's my understanding (which I think you're willing to agree to). The FA then has Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-5432626987282663622011-11-15T19:40:27.878-06:002011-11-15T19:40:27.878-06:00I agree that MisterX is going too far in speculati...I agree that MisterX is going too far in speculating with names, but, I too am inclined to think that a comment left during the day on a weekday that names a Board member by name sounds a lot more like an administrator than like a faculty member.paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-10197247927105905212011-11-15T18:58:10.342-06:002011-11-15T18:58:10.342-06:00Dave said :the administration never showed any rea...Dave said :the administration never showed any real interest in bargaining along this line [tying salaries to revenues], it wasn't addressed at the bargaining table. In other words, the administration rejected the concept of tying our salaries to revenues, not just the particulars of our proposal. <br /><br />Since you started this blog you have offered some sound arguments and some poor Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-92073959468107142262011-11-15T15:21:11.258-06:002011-11-15T15:21:11.258-06:00I think some folks like Mister X should be careful...I think some folks like Mister X should be careful with tossing around names and making accusations. Perhaps the poster simply heard something by word of mouth...or perhaps reached a conclusion based on other information. To start making accusations about one thing or another right now is probably not a good idea...at least in the spirit of healing and all that. And geez...everyone had their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-47740739166695095382011-11-15T14:42:18.731-06:002011-11-15T14:42:18.731-06:00Mike Eicholz is at it again--getting friends, neig...Mike Eicholz is at it again--getting friends, neighbours, faculty in other departments who have offices in the same building as his to distribute the ballots to extinguish the FA union forever. He is getting quite obsessive. Mike Eicholz should quit all of this and join the FA union. Then he can try to wield his influences from within. it is pretty clear why he is so desperate--his real goal is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-92088147592948946302011-11-15T12:01:57.499-06:002011-11-15T12:01:57.499-06:00Jonny Gray said...
"Your presumption to kno...Jonny Gray said... <br /><br />"Your presumption to know what was on the table more so than what the FA is telling us, Anon 3:10, makes me wonder who you are or what crystal ball you possess."<br /><br />My thoughts also, Jonny. Anon 3:10 is obviously an upper level administrator, University counsel, or possibly a member of the admin bargaining team. Anon 3:10 was likely at the BoT Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-9048024206831379642011-11-15T10:24:48.243-06:002011-11-15T10:24:48.243-06:00An earlier poster mentioned the IEA dues level. I...An earlier poster mentioned the IEA dues level. I agree they are "pricey" however, I disagree we are not getting our money's worth except in strike situations.<br /><br />During the last two legislative sessions in Springfield the IEA successfully beat back two attempts to gut teachers pensions. THAT is where our dues dollars go and THAT is well worth it. Every faculty member at Keith Wilsonhttp://www.siuntt.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-84863577697506960112011-11-14T22:41:55.700-06:002011-11-14T22:41:55.700-06:00Dave wrote: (Re: the potential tying of future fac...Dave wrote: (Re: the potential tying of future faculty raises to revenue streams):<br /><br />"...the administration never showed any real interest in bargaining along this line..."<br /><br />Good thing, too--I'm definitely glad the administration stuck to their guns on that one. <br /><br />Tying to *total* revenues is unworkable (as detailed elsewhere). On the other hand, I beezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-10766686408489829992011-11-14T21:59:40.775-06:002011-11-14T21:59:40.775-06:00My comment relied on no advanced accounting, just ...My comment relied on no advanced accounting, just bargaining 101. Surely the administration wanted to avoid committing any more money to faculty than it had to (to preserve it for other things), so when we offered to tie salary increases to increases in revenue and forego the 0/1/1/2% if revenue increased at a rate below that, their response shows they were willing to bet revenues would be higherDave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-66253926616726489232011-11-14T21:11:41.775-06:002011-11-14T21:11:41.775-06:00Wannabet?Wannabet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-68261879385056028472011-11-14T20:50:41.165-06:002011-11-14T20:50:41.165-06:00Anon 6:50, the FA tried not to separate temporary ...Anon 6:50, the FA tried not to separate temporary wage adjustments (furloughs) from salary increases. The one is meaningless if the other can be arbitrarily applied. But I believe the FA team's argument was that if the Administration wasn't going to give up its methods for salary reduction there was no need to propose an additional mechanism for that. <br /><br />Dave may not have a Jonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-17835693524600017922011-11-14T20:24:35.690-06:002011-11-14T20:24:35.690-06:00Blah! Blah! Blah!
Yak! Yak! Yak!
This and that!
A...Blah! Blah! Blah! <br />Yak! Yak! Yak!<br />This and that!<br />All this is boring stuff!<br />But the most dangerous of all is the fence sitting<br />and the deliberate attempt to befuddle!<br />Blah! Blah! Blah!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-89961541176624712932011-11-14T18:50:31.025-06:002011-11-14T18:50:31.025-06:00Dave said "they [the administration] obviousl...Dave said "they [the administration] obviously believe that SIUC revenues will go up by more than the 0/0/1/2 they offered the unions, thus allowing them to shift funds from unionized staff to other priorities."<br /><br />I am sorry , can you please explain how you know that that is what the administration believes, and why it is obvious? You are very quick to attribute motive, but Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-21347418451364571262011-11-14T17:33:30.978-06:002011-11-14T17:33:30.978-06:00The point Jonny and I are trying to make is more l...The point Jonny and I are trying to make is more limited than some are taking it to be, I think. It applies only to the day before the strike. On that day the FA walked into negotiations with major new concessions on furloughs, COI/Sexual harassment policies, and a novel proposal on salaries--an offer to take less than they were offering, so long as our salaries were tied to revenues (though theDave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-37746838407120071612011-11-14T16:22:22.006-06:002011-11-14T16:22:22.006-06:00I was not involved in the bargaining process. It i...I was not involved in the bargaining process. It is of course possible the FA team made mistakes, actually I wouldn't be surprised if in hindsight both teams took various missteps. However, I have yet to hear anyone come up with the ethical justification for the BOT team's refusal to negotiate for first three and a half days of the strike. I'd like to see the Illinois SenateMikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-10295581763743841222011-11-14T16:09:22.669-06:002011-11-14T16:09:22.669-06:00Anon 3:50, it is not very credibility-enhancing to...Anon 3:50, it is not very credibility-enhancing to call for others to cease playing word games and then pull out your Handbook of Sophistry. My jaw literally aches from the words and arguments you are trying to stuff in my mouth. Read carefully what I wrote above and quote back to me where <i>I</i> said the Administration "forced" the FA to strike. <br /><br />I don't "play,Jonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-48718791945608486672011-11-14T15:50:50.237-06:002011-11-14T15:50:50.237-06:00anon@3:10 has it exactly right. Everyone should g...anon@3:10 has it exactly right. Everyone should go back and read that post. <br /><br />And please stop with, "the administration forced us to strike." You may not have liked what the administration did, but it did not "force" you to do anything. Just like they didn't force the FA to set a strike date, or force the FA to end the strike. The FA did all that on its ownAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-29152657492132412462011-11-14T15:50:34.132-06:002011-11-14T15:50:34.132-06:00The way it seems to work at non-union tenured facu...The way it seems to work at non-union tenured faculty shops like ISU, SIUE and UIUC is that the adminstration is so darned scared a union will organize that they simply cough up the money. It's just considered an expense of doing business, far cheaper than the hassle of negotiations, grievances, etc. Just the threat of a union is enough to make the thing work very favorably for the tenured Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-42246590216346134572011-11-14T15:43:39.138-06:002011-11-14T15:43:39.138-06:00"The FA walked in on the deadline with the sa..."The FA walked in on the deadline with the same proposals that it had been insisting on for months."<br /><br />As did the other three unions, and yet the BOT team managed to find a way to either shift a little or a lot for them in order to peel them off from the general strike, thereby leaving the FA standing alone. Clever, that, but ultimately it didn't work. Nor does your Jonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-31254641420453508452011-11-14T15:27:10.890-06:002011-11-14T15:27:10.890-06:00Anon 1:00
I am wrapping my head around a lot of n...Anon 1:00<br /><br />I am wrapping my head around a lot of new information in the last month or so, but my understanding if that the FA <i>cannot</i> always strike whenever it wants to. A legal strike requires both certain conditions and certain procedural steps -- which the FA followed to a "T" in last week's strike. What the Administration has essentially stipulated to with FE Jonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-27338941197866872632011-11-14T15:10:57.010-06:002011-11-14T15:10:57.010-06:00Ridiculous! The FA walked in on the deadline with...Ridiculous! The FA walked in on the deadline with the same proposals that it had been insisting on for months. Different versions of the "in the event of an FE, the BOT has to give up its statutory right to oversee the fiscal management of the university" proposal. The same ideas that we have batted around here for months and the same proposals about which it had been said over and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-70652396871496967702011-11-14T14:48:12.051-06:002011-11-14T14:48:12.051-06:001:00 PM,
No. The contract will have a no strike c...1:00 PM,<br /><br />No. The contract will have a no strike clause, so the FA cannot strike any time it wants. The point Dave is making is that in the event of an FE declaration by the BOT the FA wanted to go to binding arbitration. The BOT said no, but offered instead that in the event of an FE declaration the no strike clause would be suspended. <br /><br />Regarding the recent strike, in the Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-59196584087144316322011-11-14T13:00:45.769-06:002011-11-14T13:00:45.769-06:00"Regarding tenure, they preferred allowing th..."Regarding tenure, they preferred allowing the FA to strike...."<br /><br />Dave, let's get real on this. The FA is always "allowed" to strike. It's "allowed" to strike right now. But it chooses not to. So to say the administration allowed the FA to strike seems very disingenous...a union talking point....more union rhetoric. The FA decided to strike....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-59893713060566782032011-11-13T21:40:54.002-06:002011-11-13T21:40:54.002-06:0011:59, the MOU model the FSN sketches may work els...11:59, the MOU model the FSN sketches may work elsewhere--if I understand it aright, it is basically "shared governance plus", where the plus depends on the willingness of the administration to cooperate by coming to agreements in the form of memorandums of understanding. That model is however distinct from collective bargaining, where the administration does have to cooperate (at leastDave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-91586245875852351032011-11-13T19:02:30.322-06:002011-11-13T19:02:30.322-06:00This is as good as time as any to give Dave props ...This is as good as time as any to give Dave props for his job as spokesman for the FA before and during the strike. Great job--better than the Chancellor did for the BOT, IMHO.Tobin Grantnoreply@blogger.com