tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post315078032212330386..comments2023-10-10T04:30:38.687-05:00Comments on Deo volente: Important Perspective on Faculty Participation in Determinations of Financial ExigencyDave Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-29478902039023559932011-11-09T10:16:08.654-06:002011-11-09T10:16:08.654-06:00I wrote:
"...vote of conference..."
WT...I wrote:<br /><br />"...vote of conference..."<br /><br />WTH? I meant "vote of confidence", of course. (Damn MSWord autocorrect...)beezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-40792510832687218642011-11-08T10:41:19.098-06:002011-11-08T10:41:19.098-06:00"Anon, 7:04 and Quiet One, It is because of y..."Anon, 7:04 and Quiet One, It is because of your basic stupidity and refusal to recognize that SIU made a $15.8 million profit in the last financial year that makes me angry with people like you who go to any lengths to deny that this administration is totally corrupt. Yes, go ahead try to decertify, see where it will get you, and you will end up looking like the spineless appeasers of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-69731793313785638992011-11-07T23:38:52.683-06:002011-11-07T23:38:52.683-06:00My colleague Jon Bean is absolutely correct- we ne...My colleague Jon Bean is absolutely correct- we need to strike tomorrow so we get better furloughs language than what we are getting in this conceptual framework (note not a last, best, and final offer, a conceptual framework which still needs to be worked into acceptable contract language... the devil's in the details remember!).<br /><br />I am afraid one more day out there will be One very ticked off history professornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-8797176895980597862011-11-07T23:16:38.786-06:002011-11-07T23:16:38.786-06:00Anon 9.51 pm wrote:
"Anon, 7:04 and Quiet On...Anon 9.51 pm wrote:<br /><br />"Anon, 7:04 and Quiet One, It is because of your basic stupidity and refusal to recognize that SIU made a $15.8 million profit in the last financial year that makes me angry with people like you who go to any lengths to deny that this administration is totally corrupt."<br /><br />I doubt very much these these other faculty are "stupid" as you beezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-27037132135710926082011-11-07T23:11:43.432-06:002011-11-07T23:11:43.432-06:00Anon @ 9:51: We are tiring of empty rhetoric like...Anon @ 9:51: We are tiring of empty rhetoric like this. You allude to knowing of administrative waste and corruption at SIU. Why don't you do something about it? Here is the website that details the process for you. http://www2.illinois.gov/whistleblower/Pages/default.aspx In fact, if I recall correctly from the ethics training I completed today, you are legally bound to report this typeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-56095328993096126082011-11-07T21:51:31.184-06:002011-11-07T21:51:31.184-06:00Anon, 7:04 and Quiet One, It is because of your ba...Anon, 7:04 and Quiet One, It is because of your basic stupidity and refusal to recognize that SIU made a $15.8 million profit in the last financial year that makes me angry with people like you who go to any lengths to deny that this administration is totally corrupt. Yes, go ahead try to decertify, see where it will get you, and you will end up looking like the spineless appeasers of higher Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-83203245157717182212011-11-07T20:28:17.748-06:002011-11-07T20:28:17.748-06:007:00, I can only imagine how angry you are and how...7:00, I can only imagine how angry you are and how much it makes it hard to see anything but rage. Although you don't see to want to do it...your very actions tend to lead people, as 7:04 says, toward a consideration of decertification. Surely, that is not what you intend? <br /><br />I would like to hear your concerns in a less volatile manner.Quiet Onenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-10974089794037459672011-11-07T20:03:07.210-06:002011-11-07T20:03:07.210-06:00You better believe they ensure that every penny wa...You better believe they ensure that every penny was spent legally! What do you imagine a State audit is!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-57681855175538419842011-11-07T19:51:42.399-06:002011-11-07T19:51:42.399-06:00That annual audits only check if what SIUC said it...That annual audits only check if what SIUC said it spent money on matches reality, and what SIU says it received also matches reality.<br /><br />They obviously do not judge legality or rationale of all that spending. They are book keepers, not lawyers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-44031972543269876542011-11-07T19:04:00.153-06:002011-11-07T19:04:00.153-06:00Your ignorance is truly astonishing, and matched o...Your ignorance is truly astonishing, and matched only by your rudeness! SIU's financial records are independently audited EVERY YEAR and the results are public records. Your post is an excellent example of the invective FA supporters rely on in trying to persuade the weak minded to support them. It will not work. In fact your post is an excellent argument in support of decertificationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-3149236611980049872011-11-07T19:00:09.678-06:002011-11-07T19:00:09.678-06:00The Chancellor is a liar and we can believe nothin...The Chancellor is a liar and we can believe nothing that she says. In view of that fact, it is now very important we have an outside body in to determine whether a FE is really necessary rather than an excuse to build a new sports stadium or give more money to Rita's outside contacts. In fact, isn't it time the Treasury Department came down here to review SIUC's records? As an Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-71903032980412883212011-11-07T18:23:43.330-06:002011-11-07T18:23:43.330-06:00The AAUP also gives faculty a role in declaring fi...The AAUP also gives faculty a role in declaring financial exignecy:<br />3. What is the AAUP’s definition of financial exigency? <br /><br />“An imminent financial crisis that threatens the survival of the institution as a whole and that cannot be alleviated by less drastic means” than the termination of tenured faculty appointments (Recommended Institutional Regulations 4c). <br /><br />4. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-79910892829405458252011-11-07T18:15:40.476-06:002011-11-07T18:15:40.476-06:00In the infamous case of the prior layoffs (1973?),...In the infamous case of the prior layoffs (1973?), it is my understanding that the decisions were reversed in court. Why is it different to have an arbitrator make the decision than have a court make the decision--by contract one can choose arbitration over a court. In either case an outside authority is a check on the Board acting arbitrarily and declaring financial exigency when it does not Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-6824818674978680012011-11-07T18:08:03.651-06:002011-11-07T18:08:03.651-06:00Chancellor just said on WSIL live that a full prop...Chancellor just said on WSIL live that a full proposal addressing all of the FA demands has been delivered to the FA. Keeping fingers crossed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-79840003579067552652011-11-07T18:03:34.060-06:002011-11-07T18:03:34.060-06:00paranoid wrote:
"Can someone tell me what wo...paranoid wrote:<br /><br />"Can someone tell me what would stop the Board from retaining whatever it wants for its policy for what would prompt a declaration of financial exigency and for the contract to have it's own, separate criteria for what would be necessary for tenured and tenure-track faculty to be laid off?"<br /><br />Well, yes, I think that is being negotiated right now! Jonathan Beannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-39434925777490692342011-11-07T17:55:47.405-06:002011-11-07T17:55:47.405-06:00All, but especially related to Jonathan Bean's...All, but especially related to Jonathan Bean's comment. I asked this question yesterday, and no one addressed it, so I ask it again:<br /><br />Regarding Financial Exigency:<br /><br />Can someone tell me what would stop the Board from retaining whatever it wants for its policy for what would prompt a declaration of financial exigency and for the contract to have it's own, separate paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-43482631412262212202011-11-07T16:42:17.138-06:002011-11-07T16:42:17.138-06:00Oh yes, necessity, the tyrant's plea. Got it....Oh yes, necessity, the tyrant's plea. Got it. The BOT is so constrained by the determinations of necessity that it cannot choose to do otherwise than it does and, simultaneously, is an entity whose decisions are without substantive check because of its essential autonomy.Ryan Netzleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817668798838164403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-1605543953500654982011-11-07T16:36:17.215-06:002011-11-07T16:36:17.215-06:00Don't know why people saying that tying raises...Don't know why people saying that tying raises to revenue can't be done, since the Administration just agreed to such an approach with the NTT and Civil Service unions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-8555764723875514502011-11-07T16:34:29.329-06:002011-11-07T16:34:29.329-06:00I have no problem with the current board positions...I have no problem with the current board positions regarding FE and RIF in regards to FE. Some have raised the notion that on a dark day the Board would declare (false) FE and use it as an excuse to fire select tenured faculty it does not like (as if they had pictures of such faculty on walls that they throw darts at over drinks, biding their time until the perfect moment to strike comes—not beezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-30176049694542171852011-11-07T15:45:55.865-06:002011-11-07T15:45:55.865-06:00Again Ryan Netzley - if the FA wanted review, the ...Again Ryan Netzley - if the FA wanted review, the BOT would likely agree. They want to determine if FE exists and the BOT can't give them that.Plato's Big Toenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-17050078481516252482011-11-07T15:25:01.066-06:002011-11-07T15:25:01.066-06:00I'm shocked to discover that when one imagines...I'm shocked to discover that when one imagines authority as nothing more than the ability to act with impunity, any review is clearly a violation of executive authority. But that's not an argument about semantics. It's an argument about slavishness.Ryan Netzleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817668798838164403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-85805923566212198642011-11-07T15:22:23.522-06:002011-11-07T15:22:23.522-06:00Don't postDon't postAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-82397405865110405152011-11-07T14:57:17.066-06:002011-11-07T14:57:17.066-06:00Anonymous 1:41 said...
"All NNTs would have...Anonymous 1:41 said... <br /><br />"All NNTs would have to be laid off first."<br /><br />Why would you think that? The NTTs have a separate collective bargaining agreement with the University with new stronger RIF language. T/TT faculty enjoy no special status or job grantee in relation to the NTT bargaining unit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-83608800641053156162011-11-07T14:49:11.789-06:002011-11-07T14:49:11.789-06:00Jon Bean raises an excellent point. The FA cannot...Jon Bean raises an excellent point. The FA cannot negotiate the terms and conditions of employment for anyone it does not represent. Why should the BOT negotiate ANY aspect of a declaration of FE with the FA when FE affects employees not represented by the FA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-69653642251325164372011-11-07T14:32:08.422-06:002011-11-07T14:32:08.422-06:00"Mike said...
The last contract had a no..."Mike said...<br /><br /> The last contract had a no layoff side letter. So, the BOT gave up ALL its prerogative on this. Now people are arguing the BOT cannot possibly give up some of its power to an arbitrator. You may think giving the FA the right to ask for arbitration on FE is a good idea or a bad idea, but you cannot say it is an impossible idea.<br /><br /> The NTT contract ha aAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com