tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post470292281292300988..comments2023-10-10T04:30:38.687-05:00Comments on Deo volente: Faculty for No NegotiationsDave Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comBlogger158125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-77823659530754118592011-10-16T08:35:45.930-05:002011-10-16T08:35:45.930-05:00"For example, concerned faculty could, at the..."For example, concerned faculty could, at their own expense, organize and host a barbeque and invite all faculty to help to begin to rebuild collegiality..."<br /><br />Potentially, yes. Especially if that is an open invitation to all faculty to share frustrations and collegiality. I am a little more suspicious of it if its stated purpose is to rally support for decertification of theJonathan Graynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-89064854396350662862011-10-15T14:57:16.031-05:002011-10-15T14:57:16.031-05:00Anonymous (1:39 PM), with a bit to Anonymous (12:0...Anonymous (1:39 PM), with a bit to Anonymous (12:09 PM):<br /><br />I was responding to Anonymous 11:56 AM's request for invective or coarse language used against the FA. That the invective came from an FA member (though perhaps or perhaps not a supporter) doesn't make it less harsh.<br /><br />As I wrote earlier, the FA officially has limited itself to low-level sniping, as has the paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-86085961387155953452011-10-15T14:39:18.082-05:002011-10-15T14:39:18.082-05:00One can see Poshard using muscular bodies from the...One can see Poshard using muscular bodies from the Athletics Department as well as campus police with night sticks againstthose on the picket line to provoke violence and arrest the unfortunate with reliable testimony given by the FSN!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-12587979085872380162011-10-15T14:32:07.406-05:002011-10-15T14:32:07.406-05:00Jonathon,
Are you familiar with the term "bl...Jonathon,<br /><br />Are you familiar with the term "bloody Williamson" and do you know the local history of that phrase?<br /><br />Its actually a fascinating read if you are not. Check out http://www.egyptianaaa.org/SI-HerrinMassacre.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-16185089522926445962011-10-15T13:39:23.081-05:002011-10-15T13:39:23.081-05:00Paranoid,
Its funny (I mean that literally) that ...Paranoid,<br /><br />Its funny (I mean that literally) that you include "self-evidently ridiculous" in your list. I used the search bar at right to find this phrase everywhere it occurs on this blog and found only one case. This thread, posted by an FA supporter/member to describe the bargaining position being defended by the FA. Are you arguing that dissent within the FA is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-21534031209530009392011-10-15T12:09:49.004-05:002011-10-15T12:09:49.004-05:00"We can jump quickly and heatedly past these ..."We can jump quickly and heatedly past these shared experiences and concerns to diagnoses of cause and plans for treatment.".<br /><br />I agree. For example, concerned faculty could, at their own expense, organize and host a barbeque and invite all faculty to help to begin to rebuild collegiality...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-58525404317841142162011-10-15T11:25:07.397-05:002011-10-15T11:25:07.397-05:00Actually, if anyone should be wary of violence in ...Actually, if anyone should be wary of violence in a strike it is those on the picket line. The term "strike buster" is not metaphorical in origin. While I don't think the Administration will be calling in Pinkertons to crack union skulls, if there is a tradition to acknowledge in labor disputes, it tends to place violence as much if not more in the hands of management and their Jonathan Graynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-22207066753559220412011-10-15T11:05:09.797-05:002011-10-15T11:05:09.797-05:00Anonymous (Oct. 14 11:56 AM):
It would be better ...Anonymous (Oct. 14 11:56 AM):<br /><br />It would be better to make an apples to apples comparison. <br /><br />It would be fair to compare the official statements in the Chancellor's emails and Web site, the FA's emails and Web site, and the FSN's emails to each other. In all of them, you find low-level sniping and vilification without personal attacks or coarse language.<br /><br />paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-81186490267773858372011-10-15T10:04:11.433-05:002011-10-15T10:04:11.433-05:00I'll say it again, there IS NO accusation in t...I'll say it again, there IS NO accusation in the comments on the Chancellors FAQ. There are appropriate instructions to the campus community conveying how to respond IF the situation arises. Th wording is as you posted: <br /><br />Q. "What should I do IF ..." [em add]<br />A. "In the event of..."<br /><br />Nowhere in that is there an accusation that anything has Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-4024255922594428662011-10-15T08:12:27.368-05:002011-10-15T08:12:27.368-05:00Anonymous (6:54 AM):
The chancellor's FAQ alr...Anonymous (6:54 AM):<br /><br />The chancellor's FAQ already included the question, "How safe will the campus be during a strike?" The issue of violence in labor disputes could have been handled there without preemptive accusations against faculty or any other employees.<br /><br />The FAQ specifically suggested the idea of a faculty member threatening a student. My claim that the paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-64297295560688387972011-10-15T07:24:55.037-05:002011-10-15T07:24:55.037-05:00Dave's argument re power rings hollow when con...Dave's argument re power rings hollow when considered in the light of the fact that much of the invective used on this blog has been directed by FA supporters at fellow faculty. From that perspective is is coming from those with power (the backing of the FA) at those with less power (those not supporting the FA) And don't tell me that all faculty are equally represented by the FA when Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-4579873767291312062011-10-15T06:54:33.925-05:002011-10-15T06:54:33.925-05:00Oh, come on. That's a huge stretch Paranoid (...Oh, come on. That's a huge stretch Paranoid (a huge paranoid stretch?) and you know it. <br /><br />The Chancellor is providing a legitimate answer to a hypothetical. Labor disputes have a history of intimidation and even violence. That is not to say that it will happen here, but it is not impossible and for someone in her position, it would be derelict NOT to provide information to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-25175916438533705272011-10-14T18:38:26.387-05:002011-10-14T18:38:26.387-05:00From the chancellor's section of the universit...From the chancellor's section of the university Web site in the Strike FAQs for students(<a href="http://www.chancellor.siuc.edu/labor/faqstudents.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chancellor.siuc.edu/labor/faqstudents.html</a>):<br /><br />"What should I do if I feel threatened or pressured by Faculty or any other University employee? <br /><br />In the event of an immediate physical paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-77052221007719735922011-10-14T16:46:20.102-05:002011-10-14T16:46:20.102-05:00Anon 11:56, I believe Dave Johnson has provided a ...Anon 11:56, I believe Dave Johnson has provided a substantive response. I tend to agree with him.<br /><br />But let me add: my point was that <i>vilification</i> is the SOP of <i>all</i> of these organizations. I do not reduce, as you do, vilification to mere name-calling. It includes any argument that makes the other side a villain and claims the high moral ground for yourself.<br /><br />SoJonathan Graynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-31376146553956151772011-10-14T14:54:33.875-05:002011-10-14T14:54:33.875-05:00"Disgusted" has obviously never been in ..."Disgusted" has obviously never been in a union in his entire life, except this one. I've been in two. Solidarity is crucial. I will refer you to one College representative who joined the NEA in an official position when it began and started criticizing it when he was still in office and began to undermine it. He left and is now one of the "silent majority." Since Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-90344344754009278462011-10-14T14:51:34.707-05:002011-10-14T14:51:34.707-05:0011:56: If we count comments on this blog, I think ...11:56: If we count comments on this blog, I think there may indeed have been more venom from the pro-union than anti-union side. One reason for that, however, is pretty clear: "those associated with the FSN" consist, currently, of Mike Eichholz, who has yet to post here (at least under his name). The sum total of public pronouncements by the FSN thus consist of his three emails. And Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-59366740064900059932011-10-14T11:56:57.949-05:002011-10-14T11:56:57.949-05:00Jonathon,
Would you please give examples of wher...Jonathon, <br /><br />Would you please give examples of where either the administration or anyone associated with the FSN has resorted to personal attacks or the use of coarse language in responding to the FA? Its easy to make accusations that that type of behavior is practiced by both sides, but I would like to see concrete examples please.<br /><br />For instance, on this blog, FA supporters Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-78795496310360677162011-10-14T08:34:51.391-05:002011-10-14T08:34:51.391-05:00If vilifying those who disagree is SOP, it is SOP ...If vilifying those who disagree is SOP, it is SOP for all parties involved: Administration, FA, the vocal unaffiliated, and now FSN. <br /><br />If democracy is defined by the ability to disagree, it is also defined by the ability to express opinions. Expressing the opinion about what someone else should do (leave, join another group, go jump in a lake, run for office, etc.) does not challenge Jonathan Graynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-61034991497853691862011-10-13T16:25:10.278-05:002011-10-13T16:25:10.278-05:00Yes, very predictable...
By making such statement...Yes, very predictable...<br /><br />By making such statements, Anonymous, you actually aid the FSN's position (naive as I think it is). There has to be room for disagreement within unions, otherwise the idea that they are "democratic" is a fallacy.Disgustednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-45755027585304184802011-10-13T15:19:12.199-05:002011-10-13T15:19:12.199-05:00Well, that was predicable. SOP: vilify anyone who...Well, that was predicable. SOP: vilify anyone who does not agree with your position...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-19845441434426454272011-10-13T14:14:40.073-05:002011-10-13T14:14:40.073-05:00No, it is not being intolerant but criticizing you...No, it is not being intolerant but criticizing you for your selfishness in not realizing that there are other people much worse off than yourself and not giving them a helping hand. So why not just join the FSN where you will find yourself in good company with the rest of the reactionaries on this campus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-71711611569003743702011-10-13T00:10:03.203-05:002011-10-13T00:10:03.203-05:00Anonymous 10:22 I will show more solidarity when p...Anonymous 10:22 I will show more solidarity when people like yourself stop being so intolerant. Deal?Disgustednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-5881357120880547912011-10-12T22:49:07.572-05:002011-10-12T22:49:07.572-05:00Anonymous 10:22, how should the FA show more solid...Anonymous 10:22, how should the FA show more solidarity with the other campus unions?Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-31801567407574168682011-10-12T22:22:05.301-05:002011-10-12T22:22:05.301-05:00Then show more solidarity and support to the other...Then show more solidarity and support to the other campus unions whose members are much worse off than we are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-66885309023635196872011-10-12T18:18:27.860-05:002011-10-12T18:18:27.860-05:00Um, I am a member of the FA and have been since I ...Um, I am a member of the FA and have been since I came to this campus....Disgustednoreply@blogger.com