tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post5611685782894724701..comments2023-10-10T04:30:38.687-05:00Comments on Deo volente: Strike EndsDave Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-33468979592497378482011-11-11T23:33:50.803-06:002011-11-11T23:33:50.803-06:00@ Jonny,
Ok -- except for the bit about "why...@ Jonny,<br /><br />Ok -- except for the bit about "why those who pay dues are not so eager to hear the regular vote of those who do not" (I still contend that if the FA wants to be representative, it should be concerned with what the faculty want) -- I see many of the points in what you are saying. <br /><br />In any case I expect now there will be plenty of time for people to try to beezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-12723529828949814472011-11-11T17:54:47.475-06:002011-11-11T17:54:47.475-06:00"But I ask this. What is the FA's positio..."But I ask this. What is the FA's position on the fence-sitters regarding such questions?"<br /><br />I think this question reveals much in the asking. The FA has no position on such. Nor does it have an official, stated position on the FSN's petition. Individual members are free to choose what to do regarding signing a piece of paper or speculating about colleagues' Jonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-61775552818831663022011-11-11T12:02:18.843-06:002011-11-11T12:02:18.843-06:00@ paranoid: I'm not ready to "turn things...@ paranoid: I'm not ready to "turn things over to the FSN" either. It is unfortunate that (it would seem) that the only way to get a binding vote on the nature of representation is their card campaign, and I do understand that it's hard for such a campaign to gain sufficient traction if: (1) they have to have every duck in a row for the various options that should be consideredbeezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-10215662366592192882011-11-11T10:47:35.382-06:002011-11-11T10:47:35.382-06:00breezer--
Sign a card and return it in the mail. ...breezer--<br /><br />Sign a card and return it in the mail. Spend days on a picket line, sacrifice salary, and work overtime to catch up when we return. Yeah, they are exactly the same.Jonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-82255857440559958092011-11-11T07:33:40.519-06:002011-11-11T07:33:40.519-06:00Beezer:
Check your emails. Mike Eichholz claimed ...Beezer:<br /><br />Check your emails. Mike Eichholz claimed "more than 140 supporting faculty members" the day after he sent his first email. <br /><br />Despite the crazy high-tension times, it looks like a lot of people aren't ready to turn things over to the FSN without more assurance that they would get something that's better than the FA.paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-16125055987120254652011-11-10T23:26:17.151-06:002011-11-10T23:26:17.151-06:00@ Anon. 8:52. Small quibble -- I think they were ...@ Anon. 8:52. Small quibble -- I think they were at more like half way (~100ish) when the emails started, and sounds like over 150 now -- but that doesn't mean I disagree with your conclusion. However, I would point out: 1) the number is impressive when you consider how quickly the effort was thrown together--particularly given these crazy, high-tension times; and 2) I think it is more thanbeezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-27712088002828395762011-11-10T20:52:56.244-06:002011-11-10T20:52:56.244-06:00Based on my rough calculations it seems that the F...Based on my rough calculations it seems that the FSN has about 140 signed cards...exactly the same level of support they boasted about back when they started spamming us. I don't think they're going to make it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-56167565869652887322011-11-10T18:44:38.732-06:002011-11-10T18:44:38.732-06:00Anonymous (1:00 PM):
I don't think that's...Anonymous (1:00 PM):<br /><br />I don't think that's all the FA got since the strike. Since the strike began, the updates that I've received indicate several things that the FA got after the strike began. <br /><br />The FA got more than just the Board policy on Financial Exigency, and the contract includes AAUP language. The FA also got an extension on the layoff notice timeline in paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-48967582570605187742011-11-10T15:08:55.094-06:002011-11-10T15:08:55.094-06:00Johnny wrote:
"Your pleas for others to &quo...Johnny wrote:<br /><br />"Your pleas for others to "send in those cards" are at best crass opportunism and more likely desperation at this point. I have serious doubts that you will get the second half of the signatures you need in the slow trickle after your initial push. But we'll see..."<br /><br />You may not like the FSN, but I don't see why it is "crass"beezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-62602885240828826192011-11-10T14:58:11.918-06:002011-11-10T14:58:11.918-06:00Johnny wrote:
"At the very least, I am glad ...Johnny wrote:<br /><br />"At the very least, I am glad you are willing to participate in the open dialogue space Deo Volente provides....since you still refuse to set up such a site of your own."<br /><br />What's the point of having two (or more) sites? I think each one would just tend to become an echo chamber of like-minded screeds (like a Faux-News trollboard). <br /><br />(beezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-19647650576460552011-11-10T13:00:26.479-06:002011-11-10T13:00:26.479-06:00Anon 12:49
Easy answer: as of last week, FA had e...Anon 12:49<br /><br />Easy answer: as of last week, FA had everything it has now with two exceptions:<br /><br />1) Board policy on FE is now contractual<br />2) Striking members are out 1/4 month salary off their nine month rate.<br /><br />So, how long? One week less.<br /><br />One other question: if it's ok for faculty to work now without an agreement, why wasn't this ok last week Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-59737462840156363912011-11-10T12:57:59.849-06:002011-11-10T12:57:59.849-06:00"Our bottom line is YOU, not your tuition and..."Our bottom line is YOU, not your tuition and fee dollars."<br /><br />if the FA's bottom line is not the faculty, then it's not representing its members. As faculty, students are key, but the FA's only responsibility is to advocate for the faculty. Every other agenda is outside its role.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-48584368067152343212011-11-10T12:49:34.294-06:002011-11-10T12:49:34.294-06:00Anonymous 7:57 AM:
The strike vote of the FA memb...Anonymous 7:57 AM:<br /><br />The strike vote of the FA membership was more than a year after the previous contract had expired, and the strike was 16 months after the previous contract had expired. <br /><br />How long would it have taken us to get what we got without a strike?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-79441253772990313622011-11-10T12:09:02.036-06:002011-11-10T12:09:02.036-06:00Typo. It should be "fear". Apologies, si...Typo. It should be "fear". Apologies, since I'm tired from strike aftermath. Maybe, the FSN and anti-FA people ought to realize that they are also disposable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-71404611569956976562011-11-10T12:07:50.355-06:002011-11-10T12:07:50.355-06:00Anyway, let us have no far. Apparently, Rita has b...Anyway, let us have no far. Apparently, Rita has been inundated by letters from students wanting their substitute instructors to remain in class. She is so sure of this that she will not allow the DE to see this documentation for themselvesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-43429908207808728862011-11-10T11:21:51.262-06:002011-11-10T11:21:51.262-06:00To the Occupy Carbondale folks, yes! Thank-you fo...To the Occupy Carbondale folks, yes! Thank-you for your support. I've said it elsewhere on this blog and on your Facebook page -- you are having profound positive effects on community climate and democratic dialogue. Your methods of crowd communication and consensus dialogue show up in part and in whole in a variety of places, lately. As we transition past the strike, I hope web sites likeJonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-15975004563999639492011-11-10T09:41:49.593-06:002011-11-10T09:41:49.593-06:00The FA needs to thank the Occupy SIU folks as well...The FA needs to thank the Occupy SIU folks as well for their help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-43909330417521467572011-11-10T08:37:09.471-06:002011-11-10T08:37:09.471-06:00I agree wholeheartedly with Anon 7:24. I believe s...I agree wholeheartedly with Anon 7:24. I believe students will be drawn to this university as they watch democracy in action via the rally and picket videos on Youtube and elsewhere. Of course, the anti-union folks are convinced that enrollment will suffer because of the strike. Anon 7:35 states "next fall will likely be a disaster". One major theme I've witnessed about the many Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-54718623791096581212011-11-10T07:57:20.074-06:002011-11-10T07:57:20.074-06:00Certainly the FA only got what it could have gotte...Certainly the FA only got what it could have gotten without a strike.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-24333139552940321662011-11-10T07:38:24.161-06:002011-11-10T07:38:24.161-06:00Anons. 6:45 and 7:11 said:
Anonymous 6:45 am said...Anons. 6:45 and 7:11 said:<br /><br />Anonymous 6:45 am said: "Union leadership took us right over a cliff. We can do better than this, folks... And, we have a chance to do so. Sign those cards and send them in! Time to set things right."<br /><br />Hey you FSN...why don't you go take a hike and go off a cliff? you just ain't going to get those FSN cards signed! Stop sending beezernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-88228136149792479092011-11-10T07:35:32.127-06:002011-11-10T07:35:32.127-06:00"The strong bond between students and faculty..."The strong bond between students and faculty witnessed by all during the strike is going to be a big draw in terms of upping the enrollment. The irony is that Cheng, Niklow and co. will probably take all the credit! "<br /><br />Was this intended as a joke? Are you serious? Enrollment is going to crash as a result of this fiasco. Students are already requesting transcripts and some Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-8845593380121086882011-11-10T07:32:02.564-06:002011-11-10T07:32:02.564-06:00"Hey you FSN...why don't you go take a hi..."Hey you FSN...why don't you go take a hike and go off a cliff?" <br /><br />Yeah stop. Transparency and accountability don't apply to the FA. We are above all that. We can orchestrate a strike and disrupt the entire campus and we don't have to face ANY consequences. So there.<br /><br />Yeah right... Dream on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-5222529127809992182011-11-10T07:27:43.721-06:002011-11-10T07:27:43.721-06:00I'm just glad that Ryan Netzley will be return...I'm just glad that Ryan Netzley will be returning his English lessons to the classroom and hopefully away from this blog. Ryan - If you need to comment, please see the grammar in 7:11 above. :)Plato's Big Toenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-56983522329284928372011-11-10T07:24:04.285-06:002011-11-10T07:24:04.285-06:00The strong bond between students and faculty witne...The strong bond between students and faculty witnessed by all during the strike is going to be a big draw in terms of upping the enrollment. The irony is that Cheng, Niklow and co. will probably take all the credit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-28670203799027312382011-11-10T07:15:29.658-06:002011-11-10T07:15:29.658-06:00(cue music)
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I loaded 16 tons of total BS
And t...(cue music)<br />...<br />I loaded 16 tons of total BS<br />And the FA said "What a great success"<br />You load 16 tons, whaddya get?<br />7 days older and deeper in debt<br />Students don't you call me cause I can't go<br />I owe my soul to the NEA store... <br />Doo Doo, Doo Doo, Doo-Doo-Doo-Dooooooo...Top 40?noreply@blogger.com