tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post5654748708381001428..comments2023-10-10T04:30:38.687-05:00Comments on Deo volente: Help with the tentative agreementDave Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-17355628001727982672011-11-28T15:37:16.559-06:002011-11-28T15:37:16.559-06:00Kim--
Re: "How do we use these approaches to...Kim--<br /><br />Re: "How do we use these approaches to our (the faculty) own change?"<br /><br />I think we are doing it now. Or, as Madge the Palmolive Pedicurist says, "You're soaking in it."<br /><br />The paradigm I reference simply notes (in a non-disciplinary-specific way) that communication is not merely referential. Cultures do not preexist and simply use Jonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-51580912651759360452011-11-28T14:44:29.724-06:002011-11-28T14:44:29.724-06:00Anon 2:01
I believe the core of your critique of ...Anon 2:01<br /><br />I believe the core of your critique of Joe, Dave, me and now Paranoid may be based in part on an equivocation of "interest" with "interest based bargaining" (IBB). Whenever folks articulate an interest that is foundational to a position they take, they are not claiming to be engaged in interest based bargaining. Likewise, the tied-to-revenue Jonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-55256816086307789002011-11-27T21:43:46.380-06:002011-11-27T21:43:46.380-06:00Sorry, maybe you missed that I had linked to them....Sorry, maybe you missed that I had linked to them.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ieanea.org/local/siucfa/assets/2010%20barg%20groundrules.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ieanea.org/local/siucfa/assets/2010%20barg%20groundrules.pdf</a>paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-55490677050046951692011-11-27T21:42:41.810-06:002011-11-27T21:42:41.810-06:00Anonymous:
Read the ground rules. If they said fr...Anonymous:<br /><br />Read the ground rules. If they said from the start that they would not agree to IBB, why do the ground rules say that they will follow the principles of IBB?paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-1927838899736877372011-11-27T21:22:25.565-06:002011-11-27T21:22:25.565-06:00Paranoid,
How on earth do you take that away from...Paranoid,<br /><br />How on earth do you take that away from 2:01's post? The Admin said from the start it would not practice IBB. That fact is all that that post is about. Don't stretch it or twist it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-53444053018304636052011-11-27T21:14:50.103-06:002011-11-27T21:14:50.103-06:00Anonymous (2:01 PM):
Are you confirming what the ...Anonymous (2:01 PM):<br /><br />Are you confirming what the FA has been asserting for a long time, that the administration was not following the <a href="http://www.ieanea.org/local/siucfa/assets/2010%20barg%20groundrules.pdf" rel="nofollow">ground rules</a> that they had agreed to at the beginning of bargaining?paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-9666806443463916642011-11-27T16:57:45.877-06:002011-11-27T16:57:45.877-06:00Jonny "The “communication as culture” para...Jonny "The “communication as culture” paradigm and culture-centered approaches to communication pedagogy."<br /><br />How do we use these approaches to our (the faculty) own change?<br /><br />KimKim Asner-Selfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-71946436417260570212011-11-27T16:49:27.905-06:002011-11-27T16:49:27.905-06:00Hmmmm.... maybe we could all get the book "ge...Hmmmm.... maybe we could all get the book "getting to yes" read it and start practicing so we can use it in our posts and get into the habit of interacting with colleagues and administration that way. Might be an additional way to create some minor cultural changes....<br /><br />KimKim Asner-Selfnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-68433323059274280872011-11-27T14:01:39.488-06:002011-11-27T14:01:39.488-06:00Now, as one example of the type of confusion I am ...Now, as one example of the type of confusion I am referring to: In a recent thread, Dave Johnson and I engaged in a discussion regarding the FA position on salaries. He argued that the Administration showed no interest in the FA's interest in linking salaries to the universities budget situation. Quite right! The BOT team was not engaging in IBB and had made it clear that they would not Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-69910577876324747122011-11-27T14:01:09.483-06:002011-11-27T14:01:09.483-06:00Jon Gray,
First, I will ignore your accusation th...Jon Gray,<br /><br />First, I will ignore your accusation that I am engaging in “revisionism” and leave to others to draw their own conclusions on that matter. As others have suggested before, perhaps you might consider adopting a less confrontational style in your posts since debate is preferable to argument.<br /><br />My post related to yet another post about IBB by someone who clearly does Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-31626699873827706602011-11-27T12:30:56.169-06:002011-11-27T12:30:56.169-06:00Anon 8:21, you seem to miss the point about IBB. ...Anon 8:21, you seem to miss the point about IBB. I am very familiar with the method and not only have read "Getting to Yes" but have also taught it. Throughout the bargaining process, the FA received numerous criticisms (usually on this blog) that it was being unreasonable and unrealistic in its negotiation supposals. The "mantra" you reference is offered not because the FAJonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-52773499631777710962011-11-27T07:37:27.230-06:002011-11-27T07:37:27.230-06:00Perplexed,
You haven't been paying attention....Perplexed,<br /><br />You haven't been paying attention. Joe Sramek has been both critical of the FA and enthusiastic about it, depending on what the FA has done and on how the administration has acted.paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-68687426506487817702011-11-26T20:21:00.103-06:002011-11-26T20:21:00.103-06:00Lets set the record straight on at least one issue...Lets set the record straight on at least one issue. FA supporters chant "interest based bargaining" like a mantra, but it is completely clear that very VERY few have any real idea what that expression means. Joe Sramek's post above is an excellent example.<br /><br />For starters, it is impossible, Immmmmpossssible! for one side of a negotiation to practice interested based Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-12342425310083513192011-11-26T19:56:48.282-06:002011-11-26T19:56:48.282-06:00Perplexed, if you knew Professor Sramek, you would...Perplexed, if you knew Professor Sramek, you would not need to ask that question. By the way, are you up for tenure, and thus all of your anonymity here? Just using your own logic.Patrick Dilleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02907686980479319760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-23583663110966958472011-11-26T19:07:37.306-06:002011-11-26T19:07:37.306-06:00I wonder, Professor Sramek, how much of your enthu...I wonder, Professor Sramek, how much of your enthusiasm for the FA, the strike in general, and the "gains" in the contract result from the fact that you are (at least according to your posts) in your final pre-tenure year in a department that overwhelmingly supported the strike?Perplexednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-69486398061361645542011-11-26T14:40:25.857-06:002011-11-26T14:40:25.857-06:00While of course it is possible that SOME improveme...While of course it is possible that SOME improvements in the contract were the result of the administration bargaining team, I somehow highly doubt this. The administration team, after all, from the get-go summarily rejected getting training in Interest-Based Bargaining. The chancellor was saying throughout the summer and early fall that she had no intention of undermining tenure but the Board Joe Sramekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11440181440339210076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-69513393797004756522011-11-25T09:03:29.854-06:002011-11-25T09:03:29.854-06:00Joe Sramek,
Hope you can develop a more critica...Joe Sramek, <br /><br /><br />Hope you can develop a more critical thinking, not just follow the FA leader.<br />Time will show that FA is not what you want if you are a serious researcher.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-18767101755526601552011-11-24T15:23:58.551-06:002011-11-24T15:23:58.551-06:00Are you presuming that all of the changes were pro...Are you presuming that all of the changes were proposed by the FA team. Remember that this was a bargained document so changes where proposed by both sides. Credit should go where it is due. If you like what you see, some of the credit belongs to the administration team as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-71773013555067776842011-11-23T21:54:35.744-06:002011-11-23T21:54:35.744-06:00Anon 3:25,
Transparency is required only for Admi...Anon 3:25,<br /><br />Transparency is required only for Admin, not for FA leadership. If you want to know all details, please run for the president of FA, a position you might be interested in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-29267853407036948332011-11-23T15:25:48.131-06:002011-11-23T15:25:48.131-06:00I went through and read the contract line by line ...I went through and read the contract line by line last night, with the highlighted changes in front of me. I am very impressed! This is a contract full of incremental progress on both small and large items, and one I feel confident about as a platform to improve further in the next years and decades to come. <br /><br />I hate to criticize, but one thing that definitely needs improvement on Joe Srameknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-62767222518343701342011-11-22T20:42:09.147-06:002011-11-22T20:42:09.147-06:00The research at Physics Dept is going down very qu...The research at Physics Dept is going down very quickly recently. It is hard to say who is guilty to lead to current situation. Some personality confrontation lead to this outcome. A figure in FA should take some responsibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-37791964016688523552011-11-22T20:10:07.416-06:002011-11-22T20:10:07.416-06:00Anon 12.15am
The Physics Dept at SIUC is a `real&...Anon 12.15am<br /><br />The Physics Dept at SIUC is a `real' research Dept, with many excellent researchers..just check out their webpage .... you might learn something. <br /><br />BTW I am not in Physics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-61855067814694516822011-11-22T19:32:11.484-06:002011-11-22T19:32:11.484-06:00Perhaps there are `no profits to extract' in a...Perhaps there are `no profits to extract' in a university setting, but a university decides where to spend its money. At SIUC in recent years the admin + BOT have decided to spend enormous amounts of money on athletics, and not on teaching (including faculty salaries) and research...the two core ingredients of any good university. So, when discussing the public sector situation, one should Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-10619818082769015652011-11-22T08:37:23.882-06:002011-11-22T08:37:23.882-06:00I'll take the last two comments as indications...I'll take the last two comments as indications that we've reached a wider audience. The first comes from someone evidently unfamiliar with our physics department, where most faculty belong to the FA. Last I knew, those faculty members did indeed believe in peer-reviewed publications. <br /><br />The second makes the prevalent broad-swipe attack against all public sector unions. It seems Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-10327511781837385962011-11-22T00:18:45.841-06:002011-11-22T00:18:45.841-06:00There should be no unionization in any public sect...There should be no unionization in any public sector job, full stop.<br /><br />The rationale behind unions is that due to the inherent difference in power between capital and labor, labor must organize in order to recieve a reasonable share of the economic proceeds of the firm--they extract profits from capital.<br /><br />There are no profits to extract in the public sector. All public sector Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com