tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post3556701015981173998..comments2023-10-10T04:30:38.687-05:00Comments on Deo volente: A College By Any Other NameDave Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-43599869114255091902012-02-01T19:24:58.665-06:002012-02-01T19:24:58.665-06:00It would be much better if those administrators ju...It would be much better if those administrators just left well alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-49821279865752174112012-01-30T19:49:49.419-06:002012-01-30T19:49:49.419-06:00It is at least popular wisdom that our university ...It is at least popular wisdom that our university is in a time<br />of change that is more rapid and significant than any of us have seen over the past thirty years. All too often, faculty and Admin find themselves unprepared<br />for many of the challenges they face. To blame either seems unfair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-17561164499804860472012-01-30T15:53:38.013-06:002012-01-30T15:53:38.013-06:00Again, you blame the Admin.
Things are going in ...Again, you blame the Admin. <br /><br />Things are going in a dynamics way. To look at something today may be very different from the one ten years or twenty years ago. <br /><br />Do you think today's one dollar should be the same as the one dollar bill ten year's ago? <br /><br />It is very disappointed to see many people don't want to think and don't want to reason, but like toAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-47896032570396278262012-01-29T21:59:20.959-06:002012-01-29T21:59:20.959-06:00So the sciences and liberal arts split perhaps bec...So the sciences and liberal arts split perhaps because the college became too unmanageable. But then everybody forgot all about it and then later some folks decided to axe the college of communication and move speech communication, theater, art and design and the school of music into the college of liberal arts. Oh-I forgot--they also eliminated the department of Communciation Sciences and Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-59902727661152981892012-01-29T09:48:26.143-06:002012-01-29T09:48:26.143-06:00A brief clarification -- the social sciences do no...A brief clarification -- the social sciences do not value conference participation over books. And in my discipline, the value of a book depends upon your subfield. Not really important, I just did not want to leave that hanging.Scott McClurgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-37045483781001643812012-01-28T13:24:47.706-06:002012-01-28T13:24:47.706-06:00Interesting.... Thanks for posting all of this.
A...Interesting.... Thanks for posting all of this.<br /><br />A few things jump out at me: <br /><br />1)The original name of my college was "The College of Liberal Arts and Sciences" before COS got formed. <br /><br />2) Tenure expectations still remain an issue in our college, even with the scientists in their own college. I am in a discipline that places great emphasis on writing Joe Srameknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-70510191738627684222012-01-28T11:07:15.046-06:002012-01-28T11:07:15.046-06:00I did some reading a while back on the history of ...I did some reading a while back on the history of the creation of the BS degree. It was done so science majors could take fewer language courses and more math. The 'traditionalists' were shocked that someone could be considered an educated person with only having to take Greek or Latin and not both. They were aghast when it was suggested that students might study a modern foreign languageMike Sullivannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-88058203522421932392012-01-28T11:06:57.899-06:002012-01-28T11:06:57.899-06:00Then you end up with four X's. If you are coun...Then you end up with four X's. If you are counting social sciences as two letters, that's OK, but it isn't as funny as three X's.Gigglingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-60941998420391201952012-01-28T10:47:23.757-06:002012-01-28T10:47:23.757-06:00Let X=XX!Let X=XX!Mike Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-9216613496494045432012-01-28T08:03:38.751-06:002012-01-28T08:03:38.751-06:00Joe,
Do we have a historian willing to volunteer ...Joe,<br /><br />Do we have a historian willing to volunteer for this task? <br /><br />A creator description from the University Archives says, "<a href="http://archives.lib.siu.edu/index.php?p=creators/creator&id=108" rel="nofollow">The College Abbottt had presided over comprised of only thirteen departments, but during the rapid growth of President Morris's reign, had grown to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-91169372508116410412012-01-27T21:08:48.877-06:002012-01-27T21:08:48.877-06:00As I understand it, most universities have a Colle...As I understand it, most universities have a College of Arts and Sciences, with divisions of the humanities and fine arts, social sciences, and natural sciences. Not everyone agrees on which categories apply to which academic disciplines; certainly whether you call my discipline of History one of the humanities or one of the social scientists is very much debatable because we straddle both campsJoe Srameknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-83910594430312583042012-01-27T19:38:05.594-06:002012-01-27T19:38:05.594-06:00Um, there are three areas: arts, humanities, and s...Um, there are three areas: arts, humanities, and social sciences to be substituted by X.Gigglingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-54346050944270077872012-01-27T16:54:13.007-06:002012-01-27T16:54:13.007-06:00Would it make sense to have a school or division o...Would it make sense to have a school or division of the humanities within COXX? This is vague, but some kind of consortium of Eng, FL, Hist, Phil, & Speech Comm that would help remind us of the importance (centrality?) of the humanities in high ed.Mike Sullivannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-56882714946628631302012-01-27T16:29:53.669-06:002012-01-27T16:29:53.669-06:00We can't have the word "Liberal" in ...We can't have the word "Liberal" in Rita and Glenn's Farm, can we?<br /><br />Suggested name changes CACA - Collage of Advanced Coporate Arts; CRAP - College of Republican Arts and Productivity; anything that will destroy the very idea of Humanities Education at SIUC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-42857098171809942392012-01-27T09:00:03.493-06:002012-01-27T09:00:03.493-06:00Years ago, sometime before I got here 15 tears ago...Years ago, sometime before I got here 15 tears ago, Math migrated from COLA to COS. My understanding through stories told was that COLA deans thought we should get paid like humanists scholars and wondered why we didn't write books. Yet even in COS we have a hard time because our empirical colleagues and current dean don't understand why we don't get big research grants (we don't Mike Sullivannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-57837519039454107682012-01-26T16:21:42.663-06:002012-01-26T16:21:42.663-06:00The name change isn't the only thing discussed...The name change isn't the only thing discussed at the retreat--far from it. Many things were discussed, perhaps too many, but there is value in throwing out a lot of ideas, even if thereby one loses the opportunity to discuss any in great depth. I didn't think the retreat was a complete waste of time. The name change was simply the item to receive the most "votes" for action.Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-786347938517957652012-01-26T16:19:43.854-06:002012-01-26T16:19:43.854-06:00The retreat ran from 8:30-3:30. The Dean solicited...The retreat ran from 8:30-3:30. The Dean solicited input on the same form that asked us to rank acronyms and the like, and I'll give her a version of the above. Look, this is something reasonable people can disagree about, and I may well end up, like Jonny below, recognizing that we just need to go with the flow and become CHASS or the like. But as the retreat itself provided no ready Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-52089886979617800272012-01-26T09:07:38.123-06:002012-01-26T09:07:38.123-06:00About four years ago, when I served on CoLA Counci...About four years ago, when I served on CoLA Council, I remember this idea coming up. It was enthusiastically supported by Dean Vaux (a psychology professor), but died rather quickly in committee. My point is, the idea is not new. Well, what idea is, really?<br /><br />I appreciate your advocacy for Liberal Arts, Dave, and mostly I agree. In part, I find the chimera combination approach ratherJonny Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04461895600346750968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-32436373399231414792012-01-26T08:15:21.980-06:002012-01-26T08:15:21.980-06:00Anon 5:57 AM: it sounds everyone else is silly bu...Anon 5:57 AM: it sounds everyone else is silly but you. To be picky is a symptom of mental illness. I suggest those who are very picky on everything should have a physical examination to see if they are still heathy. Life is short! To enjoy life or to be picky is your choice, no one force you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-86193018769145526972012-01-26T07:57:59.351-06:002012-01-26T07:57:59.351-06:00I have heard that previously at SIUC what we had w...I have heard that previously at SIUC what we had was a College of Arts and Sciences or some such. Then somebody decided to split them in half and all the sciences went to the College of Science. I would suggest that instead of spending time and money trying to hire a new Dean of the College of Sciences we merge COLA and COS together into one college. Think of the money we would save with one lessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-42712389928347523672012-01-26T07:10:49.007-06:002012-01-26T07:10:49.007-06:00Dave, I'm not surprised by your typical anti- ...Dave, I'm not surprised by your typical anti- tone, but an all day retreat? If my memory is right, it was about 3 hours. I'm also surprised that your take of the dean's view on our college seems to have emerged only from this retreat. I would encourage you to ask the dean for a short meeting to discuss your concerns. She would probably appreciate your input.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-35903357991586201192012-01-25T20:49:24.672-06:002012-01-25T20:49:24.672-06:00As a scholar, I consider myself a social artist. ...As a scholar, I consider myself a social artist. Try being so in the College of Education and Human Services.Patrick Dilleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02907686980479319760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-39657629456876493432012-01-25T16:58:32.758-06:002012-01-25T16:58:32.758-06:00Yeah, I know some historians consider themselves &...Yeah, I know some historians consider themselves "social scientists," and to some degree the positivism at the heart of historical methodology lends to this to some degree. As a cultural historian who does not have that much of a problem with Michel Foucault and some other poststructural theorists, however, I feel more comfortable personally labeling my research as falling in the Joe Srameknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-33079156931422071022012-01-25T16:35:19.546-06:002012-01-25T16:35:19.546-06:00Joe's comment reminds me of one thing I should...Joe's comment reminds me of one thing I should have granted in favor of the name change: liberal arts certainly covers some departments better than others, though it can be defined in a way that would be inclusive, I believe. It is the poorest match for our social science colleagues, I suspect, but then again I suspect that most potential students will equate "social science" with &Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-34053668573860155502012-01-25T00:53:25.015-06:002012-01-25T00:53:25.015-06:00Good commentary, Dave. I wonder about another asp...Good commentary, Dave. I wonder about another aspect of Dean Kempf-Leonard's memo where she alludes to other undergraduate liberal arts colleges within large research universities having other names than CoLA. Did any of this come up at the retreat? What do our aspirational peers call their liberal arts colleges?<br /><br />From my own experience attending SUNY-Binghamton (BA, '98), Joe Srameknoreply@blogger.com