tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post6651744133537413676..comments2023-10-10T04:30:38.687-05:00Comments on Deo volente: Union Membership and Union SupportDave Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-55331779226519932072011-08-04T16:03:00.906-05:002011-08-04T16:03:00.906-05:00For the sake of historical evidence and to inform ...For the sake of historical evidence and to inform those Cheng supporters who were not around at the time, one of the reasons for voting in a Union was the belief that then President Ted Sanders (who only had K-12 administrative experience) wanting to abolish tenure and firing faculty.<br /><br />Cheng has already done the first in her imposed contract and she will use the 30 day lay-off provisionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-44478245357777988802011-08-04T14:56:54.274-05:002011-08-04T14:56:54.274-05:00My personal belief is fair share is crucial for th...My personal belief is fair share is crucial for the long term health of SIU. Its no secret there is a toxic relationship and no trust between the IEA locals and the SIU administration. This has caused both sides to become entrenched in their positions, choose sides, and forget we both have the common goal of SIU being successful so our students are sucessful.<br /><br />As has been stated Keith Wilsonhttp://www.ieanea.org/local/siuntt/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-40991188066514860812011-08-04T00:47:26.774-05:002011-08-04T00:47:26.774-05:00Luckily, a fried brain is no hindrance to blogging...Luckily, a fried brain is no hindrance to blogging; and blogging, in fact, may help cool me down. Plus there's the power and the glory, right?Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-48281484484377724342011-08-03T14:12:13.011-05:002011-08-03T14:12:13.011-05:00PS: Dave, how do you right about SIUC so much? Man...PS: Dave, how do you right about SIUC so much? Man, I do it from time to time but my mind would fry if I thought about this place for too long. LOLJonathan Beannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-38929551190956352652011-08-03T14:10:31.220-05:002011-08-03T14:10:31.220-05:00"The IEA endorsed George Ryan against . . . G..."The IEA endorsed George Ryan against . . . Glen Poshard"<br /><br />True, but I recall the Ryan election and me (Mr. libertarian with a small "l") thinking of him as "LBJ Ryan": He promised to spend more than any one had ever spent on anything. I think redistricting is a game changer and titled the state for a long time to come. <br /><br />But partisan politics is Jonathan Beannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-85984865073127663742011-08-03T13:27:22.282-05:002011-08-03T13:27:22.282-05:00Re voting with your feet: Under the current arrang...Re voting with your feet: Under the current arrangement you don't have to move your feet at all to avoid being a member of the union. You can stay seated. And to join the union you need not only to take a walk, but to pay around $600 a year—for no substantial tangible benefit in return, as the union represents you whether you pay or not, and whether you want it to or not. So it's Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-25965052761264276712011-08-03T11:04:06.873-05:002011-08-03T11:04:06.873-05:00I concede there are some ripe comments in this thr...I concede there are some ripe comments in this thread, but I've never heard anything like that from the FA itself.John Reevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764573067037206551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-54541698215054295372011-08-03T10:57:20.493-05:002011-08-03T10:57:20.493-05:00Quoting from above (just this thread)
“anti-unio...Quoting from above (just this thread)<br /><br />“anti-union faculty who have benefited from the salary increases the Union has negotiated for them and cravenly support an administration that has virtually removed tenure from them deserve all the contempt they get.”<br /><br />“could it also not be said that those who support a Chancellor who acts like a dictator in the manner of her 1930s Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-12843659639203034962011-08-03T10:44:24.738-05:002011-08-03T10:44:24.738-05:00The FA spitting their contempt? I call troll.The FA spitting their contempt? I call troll.John Reevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764573067037206551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-10359388287199726052011-08-03T10:16:10.674-05:002011-08-03T10:16:10.674-05:00Jon, thanks for the post and the info from the Rig...Jon, thanks for the post and the info from the Right to Work people. <br /><br />I'm no expert on state politics, but the size of the IEA is no doubt both a hindrance and a help: the larger the union, the more influence it has, but the more constituencies it has to support, the more difficult it becomes for it to support each constituency. Similar problems would probably arise if the IEA Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-67990742238688323742011-08-03T10:10:52.832-05:002011-08-03T10:10:52.832-05:00Remember how this thread started? Two thirds of a...Remember how this thread started? Two thirds of all faculty have already “voted with their feet” – it hasn’t done a thing to curb the FA. Even though we are currently working under an imposed contract and have a published notice of intent to strike hanging over us, the majority of faculty STILL have chosen NOT to join the FA. <br /><br />Even in these circumstances FA supporters still claim Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-52382721351794300722011-08-02T23:15:14.589-05:002011-08-02T23:15:14.589-05:00Dave, your post generated heat and light. Wow.
&...Dave, your post generated heat and light. Wow. <br /><br />"But if you've been following the pension and health care debates at all you know that we need a voice in Springfield. The IEA gives us that."<br /><br />Yes and no. The problem is that the IEA is seen by all in Springfield as an appendage of the Democratic Party. Democrats want the $$$ from the unions but Illinois is such Jonathan Beanhttp://freesiu.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-7971992568466941442011-08-02T21:19:36.962-05:002011-08-02T21:19:36.962-05:00Compression is still the major problem here with s...Compression is still the major problem here with some tenured faculty (who are productive) earning less than newly appointed tenure track faculty. Higher administrative contempt for faculty, especially on the pasrt of those who were never productive when they were in faculty ranks, is a huge part of the problem. So is a Faculty Senate whose role is purely advisoty and treated like a joke by the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-55151063037524927162011-08-02T13:26:32.856-05:002011-08-02T13:26:32.856-05:00Despite the contract negotiated by the FA, there a...Despite the contract negotiated by the FA, there are large differences in salary for equal rank in my department. Somehow it happens...John Reevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764573067037206551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-29689610232451247512011-08-02T13:16:32.131-05:002011-08-02T13:16:32.131-05:00IMO, you are partially correct. When highly produ...IMO, you are partially correct. When highly product faculty leave SIU it is usually either for personal reasons or because they feel that their accomplishments are not sufficiently recognized or appreciated at SIU. The "one size fits all" salary increases negotiated by the FA are a part of that problem because they leave little or no room for consideration of merit in determining Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-57056810478054976562011-08-02T09:49:44.823-05:002011-08-02T09:49:44.823-05:00Of course, there are some individuals and some ins...Of course, there are some individuals and some institutions where individual bargaining over salaries might be advantageous. But we are here at SIU, and I don't think it is a coincidence that average salaries increased after the faculty unionized. By the way, I have observed a number of highly productive faculty leave SIU for other institutions, and bargaining over salaries had little to doJohn Reevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764573067037206551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-7068961395055437472011-08-02T08:50:26.616-05:002011-08-02T08:50:26.616-05:00John,
We can never know whether that imbalance w...John, <br /><br />We can never know whether that imbalance would have been corrected by individual bargaining or not. Maybe so, Maybe not. My post was directed to simply say that:<br />1. Collective bargaining is not the only option.<br />2. Collective bargaining may not always be the best option, especially for some individuals, and <br />3. Calls for non-FA supporters to return raises are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-80798651484785461152011-08-02T08:28:30.075-05:002011-08-02T08:28:30.075-05:00But Anonymous 7:15, weren't salaries at SIUC w...But Anonymous 7:15, weren't salaries at SIUC well below those at peer institutions until recently? I doubt this would have happened without FA bargaining.John Reevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764573067037206551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-52367069698585882932011-08-02T07:15:04.089-05:002011-08-02T07:15:04.089-05:00To anonymous 5:14 PM
It is unfortunate that your ...To anonymous 5:14 PM<br /><br />It is unfortunate that your support for the FA is so deeply rooted in insecurity. Please consider that fear makes people act irrationally and fear over a long period is especially toxic to the mind. You have my (genuine) sympathies. Personally, I doubt you have much reason to fear being laid off, but please keep in mind that there is a reason for the truism –“ Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-58173986798721029762011-08-01T21:31:47.015-05:002011-08-01T21:31:47.015-05:00To Anonymous (7:01 PM):
Quoting from the imposed ...To Anonymous (7:01 PM): <br />Quoting from the imposed terms <br />(http://www.ieanea.org/local/siucfa/assets/siucfa-1yearagreement32511.pdf),<br /><br />"19.05. The Board shall provide written notification of the full or partial layoff to a Faculty member affected by the layoff at least thirty (30) days prior to the effective date of the layoff. The Association shall receive copies of the paranoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01305552154248972937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-10974119077428485602011-08-01T20:38:00.945-05:002011-08-01T20:38:00.945-05:00If I adequately skimmed the documents I linked to,...If I adequately skimmed the documents I linked to, "fair share" charges would indeed be essentially equivalent to current dues levels, as the IEA argues that it devotes all its resources to working on the behalf of its members (as we would expect it to say and hope that it would do). One can certainly decline to pay the small amount of dues the IEA/NEA allocates to political lobbying Dave Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09100006856645294730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-54001255884522957602011-08-01T19:07:04.937-05:002011-08-01T19:07:04.937-05:00Not sure if this is the current position but here ...Not sure if this is the current position but here is the 30 day proposal.<br /><br />http://www.ieanea.org/local/siucfa/assets/board%20rif%20proposal.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-75336626056952496142011-08-01T19:01:54.458-05:002011-08-01T19:01:54.458-05:00Isn't there something in the imposed contract ...Isn't there something in the imposed contract or one of the proposals that says only 30 days notice is required for layoffs? To me, that is the death sentence. Given faculty hiring schedules, you are automatically out of work for six months or more. At least the accountant or lawyer could, in theory, be hired immediately by another firm. If that provision is in place-- I thought I read itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-41957964872518914122011-08-01T17:14:21.416-05:002011-08-01T17:14:21.416-05:00The faculty who do not want to be in a union but h...The faculty who do not want to be in a union but have gained financially ever since its existence may want to sign a form to donate their raises to either Glenn Poshard or the Saluki Way. Since they support the administration, they should have no trouble making a financial contribution to the other side rather than selfishly benefiting from the hard work of union negotiators.<br /><br />Also, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3492014659405332380.post-68061767404450166962011-08-01T13:31:04.477-05:002011-08-01T13:31:04.477-05:00If your quip means that the FA is dropping its cal...If your quip means that the FA is dropping its call for fair share, great, but I doubt that was your intent.<br /><br />So, in the mean time why doesn't someone just tell the faculty what the agency fee will be and how it was calculated? How many $? A number, something concrete that we can budget for.<br /><br />I presume that that figure must be known by someone in the FA (or IEA/NEA) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com